2022年8月5日 星期五

Dave Lee: Elon Musk on recession and why Tesla will become most valuable company ever (Ep. 629)

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_gP-KESHEY


 

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hey it's dave so tesla just ended their

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annual shareholder meeting and elon musk

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shared his thoughts on the recession how

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long it could last on why tesla will

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become the most valuable company in the

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world and what happens if elon musk

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isn't around anymore to run tesla all

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right so first elon musk's thoughts on

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the recession he thinks that we've

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already reached peak inflation and that

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inflation is likely going to drop

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rapidly and this is because he is in

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touch with hundreds if not thousands of

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different suppliers and he understands

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their pricing and he's seen actually

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pricing trending down he thinks that

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there will be a mild to moderate

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recession lasting about 18 months that's

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his best guess because he doesn't think

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there's a fundamental capital

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misallocation in the u.s

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all right on tesla evaluation elon

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thinks that assuming that tesla is able

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to do things like full self driving and

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optimus robot and execute on

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gigafactories he thinks that tesla will

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become the most valuable company in the

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world after hearing that i tweeted that

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i kind of disagree i think actually

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tesla can become the most valuable

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company in the world just with fsc they

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don't actually need optimus robot

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let me explain a few reasons why i think

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tesla can become the most valuable

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company in the world um actually just

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with fsd so we have model y elon says

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the model y is tracking to become the

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world's best-selling car so he thinks

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that model y can be the highest selling

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car best-selling car by revenue in 2022

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and the best-selling car by unit in 2023

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so this is huge i think for tesla he

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thinks that they might announce another

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factory location later this year that

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means they're probably already in the

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final stages right of negotiation

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they've already probably picked their

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next gigafactory location he thinks that

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ultimately there'll be 10 to 12

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different gigafactories each will be

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making 1.5 to 2 million units per

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factory all right so let's dive into

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these model y comments so we know the

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best-selling car in the world by unit

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volume is the corolla right now but

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let's look at how much toyota is

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actually making off the corolla so if

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you look at toyota's operating margin it

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typically runs between 5

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and 10

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right over the last 10 years or so

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however toyota has their lexus brand

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right and that actually is more higher

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margin than um their corolla brand so if

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we just take the corolla cars i would

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expect the corolla operating margin to

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be about five percent right that's how

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much operating profit they would get per

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corolla they sell but if we compare that

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with a model y

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you have the model y getting an

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operating margin of approaching 20

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percent now and this is not including

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fsd or autonomy which actually increases

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the margin even more probably by a

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significant amount so take a step back

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the model y is actually four times more

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profitable than the corolla yet they're

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going to sell more units than the

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corolla right this is the power of

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tesla's business model and on top of

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that if you have fsd and autonomy right

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that operating margin will go up who

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knows maybe tesla can make 10 times the

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amount

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per car than a corolla this is kind of

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why tesla i think can become the most

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valuable company in the world even just

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with fsc our elon musk on the stock

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price he thinks that sometimes people

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fret too much about kind of short-term

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one-off things like for example the

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recent shanghai shutdown he thinks that

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company evaluation is basically future

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cash flows discounted to present value

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then he gives us advice he says when

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people panic take it as a buying

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opportunity i think this is actually

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generally good advice especially with

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generational companies that you know in

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five or 10 years are just going to be

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hugely bigger and are just going to

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execute on right these generational

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products they have whenever there is

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panic whenever people are depressed and

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just selling selling selling left and

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right right that's a buying opportunity

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at least in elon musk's view all right

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next gary black asked this question

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about elon musk's secession and if the

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board is discussing this elon kind of

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sidestepped this and he didn't really

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share if the board is discussing this at

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all but he's saying that tesla has an

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exciting product roadmap that will last

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a long time and elon musk says he

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intends to steal tesla as long as he can

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be useful especially with product design

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manufacturing etc he also thinks tesla

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will continue to do very well without

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him being in the picture it reminds me

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kind of of steve's job setting up right

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the iphone ios

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and

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tim cook coming in right and there's

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already a product roadmap that could

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last at least a decade or even longer

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for tesla you've got an exciting product

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robot right now but you've got new

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vehicles you've got

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fsd you've got optimus and all these

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different things coming together which i

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think is actually a 10 to 20 year

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product roadmap right that someone could

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take over elon musk briefly mentioned

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the master plan part 3 update he says

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maybe within a month or so he could

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release it he says it's basically

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everything that needs to be done in

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order to transition right the economy to

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a fully sustainable economy for example

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the exact tonnage right of materials

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needed and etc next a full self-driving

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update elon says that they're tracking

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to be at over 100 million miles driven

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by the end of the year and expects a

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wide release by request in north america

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by the end of the year which basically

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means that people will probably still

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have to request to enter the beta but

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everyone who asks right can receive fsc

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beta at least in north america all right

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ai day part two elon says lots of cool

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stuff coming people will be blown away

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and i don't doubt this actually i think

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tesla really is becoming an ai

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powerhouse this is one of i think the

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most exciting developments at tesla

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we're going to see a lot more details at

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the end of september elon musk talks

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about optimus robot and he says the

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analysts just aren't getting it how

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important right and valuable this is

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i've talked a lot about this in my

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videos basically elon musk thinks that

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optimus robot is going to be more

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valuable than the car long term and i

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think it could be many times more

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valuable right than the vehicle business

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long term optimist robot has the ability

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to transform the economy especially if

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you can just whip out these robots there

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is no more labor constraint right these

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robots can make robots it kind of gets

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into this crazy trippy possible world

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right in the future but yeah if um tesla

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succeeds with optimus rod i think it's

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definitely going to be their biggest and

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most important and most ambitious

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product ever elon was asked about how

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tesla will use their increasing cash

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balance in the future he says he's open

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to acquiring interesting companies but

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it's quite rare that tesla will acquire

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a company but he's interested in

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automation software manufacturing tech

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right those companies interest him he

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says tesla's already spending capex or

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capital expenditures and r d research

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and development as fast as possible and

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this is what is interesting he says that

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a share buyback is possible and it's

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actually on the table he just wants to

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make sure that tesla has enough cash

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balance in case of a force major event

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for example like an extended factory

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shutdown i think this is really

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interesting because if tesla announces a

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share buyback it could start small right

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let's say five or 10 billion dollars

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over the course of two years or

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something i think this is really an

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interesting trend that i'm looking

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forward to all right cyber check update

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elon says that the specs and pricing

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will be different than the reveal and he

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cites inflation so basically so cyber

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truck will be more expensive right than

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initially announced he says that they

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will begin installation of tooling at

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austin in the next few months and that

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they're aiming for a volume production

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um sometime mid next year right on

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twitter elon says he uses it a lot he

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understands the product well he thinks

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he can make it radically better and that

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he has a grander vision it's kind of

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what x.com could have been

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his previous company and he thinks

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acquiring twitter could accelerate right

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that vision by three to five years but

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it doesn't seem like he's dead set on

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acquiring it but it seems like he's

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still willing to acquire twitter all

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right lastly i want to go over the

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proposals at the stockholder meeting

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what passed and what didn't so the first

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section is the tesla proposals these

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five here and um three out of the five

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passed two of them didn't it's because

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they didn't reach the two-thirds minimum

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requirement of the outstanding shares

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that are needed to vote for right these

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are these two proposals um under

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stockholder proposals

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number six item passed and this is

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actually significant because everything

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else felt failed so what is this

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proposal six is basically the

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shareholders request our board of

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directors to take the steps necessary to

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enable shareholders without limits on

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group size to aggregate their shares to

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equal three percent of our stock owned

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continuously for three years to enable

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shareholder proxy access proxy access

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enables shareholders to put competing

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director candidates on the company

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ballot to see if they can get more votes

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than some of the management director

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candidates so basically the proposal is

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saying a couple things first that funds

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can pull together right their shares to

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vote but not only that they can gain

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access to put competing director

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candidates up for nomination

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and yeah i'm not too hot on that i think

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elon musk has proven

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that he's doing

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well in leading tesla and in my opinion

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i think the board needs to mesh and jive

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with elon and

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not too cool with let's say a group of

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let's say big you know funds getting

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together or nominating a director maybe

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pushing the vote and that person not

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jiving with tesla's culture and with

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elon musk i think it really could create

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some tension and conflict in the

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board however this proposal did pass

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unfortunately all right hope all of this

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嘿,這是戴夫,所以特斯拉剛剛結束了他們的

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年度股東大會和埃隆馬斯克

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分享了他對經濟衰退的看法

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為什麼特斯拉會持續多久?

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成為最有價值的公司

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世界和如果埃隆馬斯克會發生什麼

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不再運行特斯拉了

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對,所以首先埃隆馬斯克的想法是

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他認為我們的經濟衰退

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已經達到通貨膨脹高峰,並且

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通脹可能會下降

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很快,這是因為他在

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接觸數百甚至數千

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不同的供應商,他理解

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他們的定價,他實際上已經看到了

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價格呈下降趨勢,他認為

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會有輕度到中度

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持續約 18 個月的衰退

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他最好的猜測,因為他不認為

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有基本資本

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在美國分配不當

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好吧,特斯拉評估埃隆

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認為假設特斯拉能夠

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做一些事情,比如全自動駕駛和

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擎天柱機器人並執行

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他認為特斯拉會的超級工廠

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成為最有價值的公司

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聽到我發推文後的世界

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我有點不同意我認為實際上

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特斯拉可以成為最有價值的

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世界上只有FSC的公司他們

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實際上不需要擎天柱機器人

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讓我解釋一下我認為的幾個原因

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特斯拉可以成為最有價值的

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世界上的公司實際上只是

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有了 fsd,所以我們有模型 y elon

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模型 y 正在跟踪成為

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世界上最暢銷的汽車,所以他認為

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那個型號y可能是銷量最高的

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2022年按收入計算的最暢銷汽車

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以及 2023 年按單位計算的最暢銷汽車

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所以這對特斯拉來說是巨大的

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認為他們可能會宣布另一個

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今年晚些時候的工廠位置

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意味著他們可能已經在

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最後階段的談判權

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他們可能已經選擇了他們的

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他認為的下一個超級工廠位置

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最終會有 10 12

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每個將有不同的超級工廠

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每生產 1.5 200 萬個單位

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工廠好吧,讓我們深入了解

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這些模型 y 評論,所以我們知道

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世界上最暢銷的汽車(按單位)

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音量現在是花冠,但是

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讓我們看看豐田多少錢

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實際上把花冠弄掉了,所以如果

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你看看豐田的營業利潤率吧

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通常在 5 之間運行

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10

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就在過去 10 年左右

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但是豐田有他們的雷克薩斯品牌

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對,實際上更高

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利潤比他們的卡羅拉品牌好,所以如果

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我們只坐我想要的卡羅拉汽車

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預計卡羅拉營業利潤率為

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大約百分之五是對的

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他們將獲得多少營業利潤

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花冠他們賣,但如果我們比較一下

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與模型 y

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你有模型 y 得到一個

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營業利潤率接近20

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現在百分比,這不包括

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fsd 或實際增加的自治權

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利潤更可能是

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大量所以退後一步

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y型實際上是四倍

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比花冠有利可圖,但他們

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將銷售更多的單位比

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花冠對了,這就是力量

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特斯拉的商業模式和之上

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如果你有 fsd 和自主權

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那營業利潤率會上升誰

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知道也許特斯拉可以賺到 10

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數量

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每輛車比花冠這是一種

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為什麼我覺得特斯拉能成為最

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世界上有價值的公司,即使只是

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fsc 我們的伊隆麝香在股票上

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價格他認為有時人們

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過於擔心短期的

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一次性的東西,例如

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最近上海停工 他認為

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公司評價基本是未來

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現金流量折現至現值

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然後他給我們建議他說什麼時候

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人們恐慌將其視為購買

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機會我認為這實際上是

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通常是好的建議,尤其是

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你認識的幾代公司

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五年或十年將是

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大得多,而且只是要去

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正確執行這些世代

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他們隨時都有的產品

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每當人們沮喪和恐慌時

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只賣

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對,對,這是一個買入機會

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至少在伊隆馬斯克看來,沒問題

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下一個加里·布萊克問了這個問題

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關於伊隆馬斯克的分裂以及如果

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董事會正在討論這種埃隆

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迴避了這一點,他並沒有

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如果董事會正在討論這個問題,請分享

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除了他說特斯拉有一個

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令人興奮的產品路線圖將持續下去

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很長一段時間,埃隆馬斯克說他

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打算盡可能地偷特斯拉

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尤其適用於產品設計

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製造等他也認為特斯拉

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將繼續做得很好

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他在照片裡這讓我想起了

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史蒂夫的工作設置正確

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iphone ios

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蒂姆庫克進來了

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已經是一個產品路線圖,可以

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至少持續十年甚至更長

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對於特斯拉,你有一個令人興奮的產品

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機器人現在,但你有新的

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你擁有的車輛

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fsd 你有擎天柱和所有這些

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不同的東西融合在一起,我

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想想其實是1020

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有人可以的產品路線圖

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接管伊隆馬斯克簡要提到

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他說的總體規劃第 3 部分更新

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也許在一個月左右的時間內,他可以

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釋放它 他說它基本上是

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需要做的一切

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為了使經濟正確地過渡到

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例如,完全可持續的經濟

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材料的確切噸位權

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需要等下一個完全自動駕駛

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更新 Elon 說他們正在跟踪

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行駛里程超過 1 億英里

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到今年年底,並預計

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在北美應要求廣泛發布

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到年底基本上

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意味著人們可能仍然

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必須要求進入測試版,但

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要求正確的人都可以獲得fsc

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至少在北美測試版 好吧

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AI Day 第二部分 Elon 說的很酷

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東西來的人會被吹走

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我並不懷疑這實際上我認為

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特斯拉真的要變成人工智能了

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發電站這是我認為的之一

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特斯拉最激動人心的發展

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我們將在

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9月底伊隆馬斯克會談

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關於擎天柱機器人,他說

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分析師只是不明白如何

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重要的權利和寶貴的這是

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我在我的

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視頻基本上伊隆馬斯克認為

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擎天柱機器人將會更多

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從長遠來看,比汽車更有價值,我

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認為可能會多很多倍

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比車輛業務更有價值的權利

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長期樂觀的機器人有能力

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改變經濟,特別是如果

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你可以在那裡抽出這些機器人

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這些不再是勞動力限制了嗎

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機器人可以製造它得到的機器人

5:52

進入這個瘋狂的迷幻可能世界

5:54

就在未來,但如果嗯特斯拉

5:57

擎天柱成功了,我認為是

5:59

肯定會成為他們最大的

6:00

最重要和最雄心勃勃的

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產品曾經 elon 被問及如何

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特斯拉將使用他們不斷增加的現金

6:06

未來的平衡 他說他是開放的

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收購有趣的公司,但

6:10

特斯拉很少會收購

6:12

一家公司,但他對

6:14

自動化軟件製造技術

6:16

對,那些公司對他感興趣,他

6:18

說特斯拉已經在支出資本支出或

6:20

資本支出和研發研究

6:22

和盡可能快的發展和

6:25

這就是他所說的有趣之處

6:26

股票回購是可能的

6:28

實際上他只是想在桌子上

6:30

確保特斯拉有足夠的現金

6:32

發生部隊重大事件時的平衡

6:35

例如像一個擴展工廠

6:37

關機我認為這真的是

6:38

有趣,因為如果特斯拉宣布

6:40

股票回購它可以從小處著手

6:42

比方說 5 100 億美元

6:44

在兩年內或

6:45

我認為這真的是一個

6:47

我正在尋找的有趣趨勢

6:48

轉發到好的網絡檢查更新

6:50

elon 說規格和價格

6:52

將與揭露不同,他

6:54

引用通貨膨脹,所以基本上如此網絡

6:57

卡車會比

6:58

最初宣布他說他們

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將開始安裝工具

7:02

奧斯汀在接下來的幾個月裡

7:04

他們的目標是量產

7:06

嗯,明年年中的某個時候

7:08

twitter 埃隆說他經常使用它

7:10

非常了解他認為的產品

7:12

他可以讓它變得更好,而且

7:14

他有一個更宏大的願景

7:16

x.com 可能是什麼

7:18

他以前的公司,他認為

7:20

收購推特可能會加速

7:22

三到五年的願景,但

7:25

他似乎並沒有死心塌地

7:26

獲得它,但似乎他是

7:28

仍然願意全部收購推特

7:30

最後我想回顧一下

7:31

股東大會上的提案

7:33

什麼過去了,什麼沒有

7:35

部分是特斯拉建議這些

7:37

這裡有五個,五個中的三個

7:39

通過了其中兩個不是因為

7:42

他們沒有達到最低三分之二

7:45

流通股要求

7:47

需要投票支持這些

7:49

這兩個提案是不是在

7:51

股東提案

7:54

第六項通過,這是

7:56

實際上很重要,因為一切

7:58

否則感覺失敗了,這是什麼

8:00

提案六基本上是

8:02

股東要求我們的董事會

8:03

董事採取必要措施

8:05

使股東不受限制

8:07

將他們的份額匯總到的組大小

8:09

相當於我們擁有的股票的百分之三

8:11

連續三年使

8:12

股東代理訪問 代理訪問

8:15

使股東能夠將競爭

8:17

公司董事候選人

8:19

投票看看他們是否可以獲得更多的選票

8:21

比一些管理總監

8:23

候選人,所以基本上提案是

8:25

先說幾件事

8:27

可以把他們的股份集中起來

8:29

投票,但不僅他們可以獲得

8:31

進入競爭董事

8:33

候選人提名

8:35

是的,我認為我並不太熱心

8:37

伊隆馬斯克已經證明

8:39

他在做什麼

8:40

在我看來,在領導特斯拉方面做得很好

8:43

我認為董事會需要嚙合和跳動

8:45

與伊隆和

8:47

比方說一組不太酷

8:48

比方說大你知道資金得到

8:51

一起或提名董事

8:52

推動投票而那個人沒有

8:55

與特斯拉的文化和與

8:57

伊隆馬斯克我認為它真的可以創造

8:58

一些緊張和衝突

9:00

董事會,但該提案確實通過了

9:03

不幸的是一切都好希望這一切

9:05

如果它有很好的喜歡和

9:06

訂閱我所有的視頻可以找到

9:08

一個音頻播客也只是搜索

9:10

戴夫李投資你最喜歡的

9:12

播客播放器我也在推特上

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heyday7 對於那些想知道我出局的人

9:16

在華盛頓西部的這裡

9:18

奧林匹克國家公園做一些

9:20

荒野和雨林露營

9:22

實際上太棒了,我的孩子們有一個

9:23

美好的時光,很高興參加

9:25

退後一步,反思生活和

9:28

事情的更大意義沒事

9:29

我們下個視頻再見 謝謝

9:38

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